THIS IS WHAT “THE SHUFFLER” USED TO BE ABOUT!!! ARTICLE FROM 2008.
Stan Speaks in 2021 02 23: This is somewhat unusual >> but I am now going to insert a “Comment” to this posting by Steve. The comment is by Terry Rainwater:
Terry Ranwater says:2021-02-23 at 11:15(Edit)
Hi there! Remember me? Some do, some don’t, but During the years from around 2007-2011, I promoted frame games, bringing more fun to the game, and tried to get the sport recognized as something more than an old folks pastime. Steve is correct, and those who disagreed in 2008 had every right to do so, but for the overall health of the sport, were wrong. When I left FL, more clubs were in fact playing frame games. They are exclusive in the Western USA, and as far as I know, worldwide as well. It appears the 75 point game is pretty exclusive in FL and in a few northern states clubs with the Florida influence. Bottom line, the 75 point game worldwide is a minor influence except for a few diehards in Florida. Hope your still at it Steve.
Steve McKown Speaks: Stan,
Just came across this from 10 years ago from the “Shuffler”. Yes, I still believe this and no, nothing has changed. LOL
P.S. I am now only 80 and don’t believe I have played a tournament since then. Keep up the good work with the Shuffler.
OPINION BY STEVE McKOWN!! (From August 2008)
OK, OK I just can’t hold it any longer. I have been watching the Olympics on TV for about 5 days now and this just keeps coming to mind! They have all those sports that we all love to play and watch. (NOT!)
Who plays beach volleyball?
Who plays water polo?
Who runs the steeple chase?
And on and on?
I don’t know anybody do you?
Which brings me to my point. There are thousands more people play and love our sport of shuffleboard. Why is shuffleboard not an Olympic sport? I’ll tell you why……
Who wants to watch boring old people knock 7 discs off the board so they can “maybe” score on the eighth disc. How boring!
I’m 70 years old and love shuffleboard. I live in Indiana in the summer and Ruskin, Florida in the winter. I have won the Ohio Amateur singles 3 consecutive years. I have won the National Amateur at Winter haven, Florida. I have won a second in the National Pro Open in Bradenton, Florida. I have won MANY other less prestigious titles that I won’t brag about. I have only played in a few tournaments and I just can’t make myself even go to any of those tournaments to play, let alone want to watch! How many people have ever seen or heard of me? None? Guess why? It’s Boring!
“OUR” sport needs to change! This is not the first time I have submitted a letter to the “Shuffler” and may not be the last, but we need change! I know, I know the “Old Pros” like it that way, it’s their life.
No more 75 point endurance tests of boredom!
No more clear the board forever!
No more writing a book before each match!
No more reading the book before each shot!
No more letting who wins the lag win the match!
Lets change the rules!
We all know how to do it but we just won’t! There are many ways to do that.
Comments and discussion welcome.
Submitted by Steve McKown: 2008-08-21
GRACE PIPHER IS NEVER IN DOUBT!!
If Steve McKown won so many prestigious tournaments he must have played more shuffleboard than he wants to admit being as it is so boring.
I have been playing for about 10 years and I haven’t played a boring game yet!!! When I started to play shuffleboard I was presented a copy of the shuffleboard rules which were in the Preview. It never crossed my mind that I should see if I could change any of those rules. Granted there are some (rules) which should be changed because they are out dated but not the ones that change the format of the game.
I am sure that if Steve tried he would find all kinds of people to help him change rules. What he needs is someone to teach him the way the game is to be played when you abide by the rules.
I like the 75 point game and it is far from boring.
Grace Pipher 2008-08-24
SHUFFLER’S NOTE: Grace may be temporarily without the use of all of her physical capabilities >>>BUT she is in full control of those capabilities which made Shakespeare famous!! Just an update on Grace: She was out to watch the Fun Day activities of the Coldwater Club on Tuesday the 19th and again at Party Time at the Kidds on Wednesday the 20th. The only way Ross is going to keep her in that wheel chair is to tie her there!! Good Luck Ross!!! That is Grace in the margin!! “Have at her!!” She can take it!!!
WILBUR ESTES RESPONDS TO STEVE McKOWN!!
I am pleased that Steve McKown has expressed his views — and asked for comments. Is Shuffleboard boring, as Steve says? I do not think so. I have played many exciting games, and have watched many. Is Football exciting? If you do not understand it, it is not. Are Baseball, and Basketball exciting? If you understand of these games, they are exciting, if you do not, these games are boring. Is Chess exciting? For many (who understand it), it is.
Many people do not understand the subtleties of Shuffleboard, and think it is boring, however, it was not always so. St. Pete has a grandstand, which was often filled. As the saying goes, “Times have changed”. There was newspaper and TV coverage of tournaments and Tournament Results and League Standings were a “standard’ on the Sports Page.
Steve says “No more 75 point endurance tests of boredom!”! No more clear the board forever! No more reading the book before each shot!
No more letting who wins the lag win the match!”. Steve also says,” Lets change the rules! We all know how to do it but we just won’t! There are many ways to do that”.
Steve, what do you propose? What are the specifics? Shuffleboard’s rules are not the problem. The problem is that most people (and players) do not understand “real” Shuffleboard. The current direction is away from the exciting “75-Point” game; therefore, few players have the opportunity to learn the game.
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? The game will not become more exciting until players learn the object of the game, which is to score points. Players cannot learn this, unless the games that they play demand that they score to win.
This means that there must be more “75-Point” tournaments, and fewer Frame Game tournaments.
Steve says, “I’m 70 years old and love shuffleboard”. In this respect, he is like many others; however, Steve differs from them. He says, “I have only played in a few tournaments and I just can’t make myself even go to any of those tournaments to play, let alone want to watch!”
Steve is a Godsend. Shuffleboard’s problem in the past has been that those who love shuffleboard have been players, more interested in accumulating HOF Points, and Master’s Points, than administrating. Loving Shuffleboard, and having no desire to play, or watch, Steve is the perfect person to form, and administer, a dedicated coalition of Shuffleboard Organizations, formed for the express purpose of changing Shuffleboard’s unfortunate (boring?) image.
Wilbur Estes >> The Guy Who Wrote The Book!! 2008 08 22.
STEVE McKOWN RESPONDS TO WILBUR AND TO GRACE!!
First of all I would like to thank both Wilbur and Grace for their responses. Although I do not know either of them I’m sure they are my kind of people.
So here goes my response to them, Ladies first…….
Grace you stated, ‘If Steve McKown won so many prestigious tournaments he must have played more shuffleboard than he wants to admit being as it is so boring.”
Well Grace I only have played in a couple tournaments (check the records) other than Nationals which I try to attend. I do find some excitement in those unless the matches become marathons and all that is happening is my opponent is clearing the board and reading the book he wrote during the “Iron Man” endurance practice rounds. I am also active in my home club at Hawaiian Isles in Ruskin, Fl. Also I play in the North Manatee River League. (A travel league in the Ellington area.)
Also you stated, “Granted there are some (rules) which should be changed because they are out dated but not the ones that change the format of the game.”
I agree that occasionally a few rules become outdated but there also are times that a rule should be added/changed that could improve the format of the game. There are rule changes like that in all sports like football, basketball, golf, etc. (You just have to stop and think about them) And in reference to Wilbur’s comment about is chess boring? I’ll bet it was until they added that “little clock” rule change. (Touché Wilbur, Ha!)
You said you liked the 75 point game and it was far from boring.
Again I agree, and I like the 75 point game also as it enters the requirement for a little more thought in what should be a game of fellowship, strategy and skill. What I don’t like is the strategy of clearing the board forever. (I will go into that later.)
And as far as your last comment …..What he needs is someone to teach him the way the game is to be played when you abide by the rules.
I won’t comment on that, other than to say, I do abide by the rules, and your statement must be insulting to anyone that I should happen to beat? Ha! Ha!
And now for you Wilbur, you stated.. I have played many exciting games, and have watched many.
I just can’t argue with that and I have also. But none of them lasted 2 hours. After 2 hours the excitement becomes boredom and I give up. (I know, I know that’s what you want me to do.)
As far as your statement…Is Football exciting? If you do not understand it, it is not. Are Baseball, and Basketball exciting? If you understand these games, they are exciting, if you do not, these games are boring. Is Chess exciting? For many (who understand it), it is.
I admit I may not fully understand some of those games (Example Pro Basketball is not exciting to me and I don‘t play it, do you?). I think if you will check most of those sports have seen their share of rules changes. (ref: the time clock in Chess as I stated above) I do however, believe I understand Shuffleboard. But there again, that is only my opinion.
Another of your statements, As the saying goes, “Times have changed”. There was newspaper and TV coverage of tournaments and Tournament Results and League Standings were a “standard’ on the Sports Page.
Why do you think that we have lost all the interest and coverage? Could it be we didn’t change with the times? I think so, but maybe you don’t?
Your statement, “The game will not become more exciting until players learn the object of the game, which is to score points. Players cannot learn this, unless the games that they play demand that they score to win.”
This statement could not be more correct. The problem is that the “Old School” just want to prevent scoring. Yes, I understand it is not that simple. Yes, I really do understand the “subtleties” of the game.
And now for your hard question…Steve, what do you propose?
I’m sure there are other ways but here is my best shot……
1. Eliminate “charting.” Why can’t part of the game be each player’s ability to remember how the court drifts? Or which disc is faster? Or how does my opponent react to certain moves I make and how can that benefit me? (Without writing a book?) Why not allow a player’s ability to think, remember, and execute the shot become more important in determining the winner? Is there something in the rules that allows charting? Is there something in the rules that would prevent me from using a laptop computer for charting, getting research on my opponent and recommending how I should play him/her? Where does it end?
2. Eliminate the lag for choice of colors if a third game is necessary. We all know full well the outcome of the match most likely will be determined on one disc when the third game is required. How hard can it be to play frame games? Or 75 points or 12 frames whichever comes first. Then if a third game is necessary make it 12 frames, half on each color.
3. “New Rule“ The first disc of the person that shoots first, shall not be touched with the first disc of the person with the hammer. (10 point penalty and continue play)
Thanks again for your responses, I respect your opinions.
SHUFFLER’S NOTE: Steve may be interested to know that in Canada, for National Tournaments, we play frame games and when a 3rd game is necessary, we do exactly as Steve proposes in 2 above!! It works well, very well!!
With regard to Steve’s point 1, re charting. Again, in Canada, we require that any charting done must be done following the “Set-Up”, not during the “Set-Up”. Personally, I am with Steve 100% on this proposal!! Shuffleboard requires a variety of “abilities”, one of which is the ability TO REMEMBER!! As the saying goes >> “Use it or lose it”!!
Finally Steve’s proposal 3: An idea with a good deal of merit!!! I will invite others to comment!!!!!
KEEP IT UP GUYS AND GALS!! THAT IS WHY THE SHUFFLER EXISTS!!! WE ALLOW FREE EXPRESSION!!!
Stan of The Shuffler: 2008-08-26.